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Salmonella and dogs

Connie on Health - Thu, June 19 2008

OK, there was another post (which was definitely not stupid!!! :) about whether dogs get salmonella and if it is like what people get. Then Kathi posted that her vet has a sign up that says not to feed raw due to fears of bacteria. That got me wondering about dogs and salmonella. Heaven know I don't need any other animal drama right now.

So, I asked a friend who feeds raw and does a lot of online research on dog nutrition what she thought. Here is her reply:

"Bravo! had their first ever recall in the history of my knowledge of the company last year, due to salmonella. Here's what I learned at that time.... The FDA does not have any category for raw dog foods, hence no standards for bacteria count in raw dog foods. The standards, then, that they use to test Bravo's product are the standards for COOKED HUMAN FOODS. And one batch of processed Bravo! food had a salmonella count higher than what's permitted in cooked human food.

"Obviously if you're buying raw meats in the grocery, you are subject to whatever standards are in place for human food safety. But I can say that commercial raw diets, at least, are pretty safe. I'd certainly not shy away from feeding raw for fear of bacteria.

"This of course doesn't even begin to address the issues of e. coli and salmonella in the dog treats they're getting anyway (ever wonder why the pet supply stores advise you to wash your hands after handling pig ears or other treats?) or the fact that healthy canine guts with healthy flora aren't nearly so affected by salmonella and e. coli in the first place -- they *are* scavengers, after all. :-) It's only when we feed sterile dried foods and starve their own gut flora that they begin to have more trouble with lower levels of bacteria."

Judi on Jun 19 at 02:54 PM

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That would be me with the original post! All of this is good info that I'm glad to know-- the whole raw food concept has been foreign *and scary* to me only because I don't have all the facts about its benefits.
Thanks for the post, Connie!

Connie on Jun 19 at 03:08 PM

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Judi said:
That would be me with the original post! All of this is good info that I'm glad to know-- the whole raw food concept has been foreign *and scary* to me only because I don't have all the facts about its benefits. Thanks for the post, Connie!

The first time I met Curt and saw him stick his hands into a bag of raw chicken and give it to his dog, I was SO upset. I was sure he was killing the dog, killing himself, etc. I had no idea there was a whole sub culture of people who fed raw (and have cookbooks about raw/natural diets, etc.) I thought the chicken bones would splinter in the dog's throat and kill it, etc. Then I learned cooked bones and raw bones are not the same. Raw bones: good; cooked bones: bad.

I was happy to learn this as it was something that had always bothered me growing up. I couldn't figure out why chicken bones could kill a dog if animals in the wild ate bones all of the time. So, it turns out it is the cooked bones that are problematic.

Star Hunter on Jun 19 at 04:28 PM

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This is a very good subject. I totally agree with you. Dogs in the wild who are scavengers will even eat rotting me. I have never heard of a dog getting salmonella or e.coli. This is something to research.

Debbie on Jun 19 at 04:52 PM

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Kirby and Hoover LOVE a raw femur bone from the butcher. It's the best thing in the world!! They're only allowed to have them outside, though. Lola hasn't had one yet. I wonder what she'd do with it?

Alena on Jun 19 at 04:53 PM

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We supplement with raw chicken. No problems with scary salmonella. Dogs eat out of trashcans, litter boxes, dead backyard animals. Some human grade raw chicken is probably great compared to those things :) (they can tolerate salmonella better than we people can)

Kelly on Jun 19 at 07:10 PM

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Dogs have a higher PH level in their stomach acids, that is why they can tolerate most bacterias that humans cannot. Someplace I have a good article on this, I'll try to find it and post it. :)

Kelly on Jun 19 at 07:16 PM

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Kelly said:
Dogs have a higher PH level in their stomach acids, that is why they can tolerate most bacterias that humans cannot. Someplace I have a good article on this, I'll try to find it and post it. :)

Rachael on Jun 19 at 07:20 PM

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Kelly said:
http://rawfed.com/myths/bacteria.html

Good link, Kelly! I love that website. It provides some of the best information about raw feeding. I only know of one dog who got sick from eating raw, and it was because he was immune-suppressed before he started it. I'm still waiting for the day when my dogs can go raw, but it's going to be a while before I can. The new vet at work about got into me about my affinity towards the diet, something about it killing dogs. I just kept my mouth shut.

Kelly on Jun 19 at 11:37 PM

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Rachael said:
Good link, Kelly! I love that website. It provides some of the best information about raw feeding. I only know of one dog who got sick from eating raw, and it was because he was immune-suppressed before he started it. I'm still waiting for the day when my dogs can go raw, but it's going to be a while before I can. The new vet at work about got into me about my affinity towards the diet, something about it killing dogs. I just kept my mouth shut.

Jeeze, no kidding? That is too bad. My vet (Dr Hicks) is cool with raw, she's done some research, and said she'd like to research more, but thinks it's fine if done correctly. ;o)

Julie on Jun 20 at 02:17 AM

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I'm just not going to take a chance. I don't want to do something that I might have to worry about.

Judi on Jun 20 at 08:48 AM

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Connie said:
The first time I met Curt and saw him stick his hands into a bag of raw chicken and give it to his dog, I was SO upset. I was sure he was killing the dog, killing himself, etc. I had no idea there was a whole sub culture of people who fed raw (and have cookbooks about raw/natural diets, etc.) I thought the chicken bones would splinter in the dog's throat and kill it, etc. Then I learned cooked bones and raw bones are not the same. Raw bones: good; cooked bones: bad. I was happy to learn this as it was something that had always bothered me growing up. I couldn't figure out why chicken bones could kill a dog if animals in the wild ate bones all of the time. So, it turns out it is the cooked bones that are problematic.

I didn't know that about cooked vs raw bones! Wow, good info, thanks! Charlie doesn't get bones to chew on but at least now I know which ones would be best. Cool!

J on Jun 26 at 12:25 AM

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The Salmonella and E.coli usually passes through the dogs and cats; so they don't get sick, but the owners need to be careful, (especially if immunocompromised at all) because they can be exposed.

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